The Truth About Aging NO ONE Talks About (Until Now) | Authors Spotlight Podcast

What if aging well had nothing to do with age… and everything to do with connection?

In this episode of the Author Spotlight Podcast by Morpheus Publishing, host Justine Martin sits down with Van Marinos, just ONE week before his book launch, and the conversation goes far deeper than fitness.

This isn’t just about exercise.
It’s about life, loss, purpose… and the promise that sparked a powerful book.

Van shares:
💔 The promise he made to his father, and how it shaped this book
🧠 Why most people get aging completely wrong
💪 The truth about exercise (and why so many people avoid it)
🤝 The surprising power of social connection, and why it might matter more than fitness
🔥 How small, consistent habits can completely change your life

You’ll also hear raw, real moments, including nerves before a book launch, personal reflections, and the kind of honest insights you don’t usually hear.

This episode will challenge how you think about:
👉 Aging
👉 Health
👉 Community
👉 And what it really means to live well

Because here’s the truth…
You’re never too old to get fit.
And you’re never too old to find your people.

Watch and listen now, this might change how you see your future.

And don’t miss the opportunity to connect in person.

📚 Book Launch Event – Strong & Social
🗓 Date: Tuesday 12 May 2026
⏰ Time: 5:30 PM - 7:30 PM AEDT
📍 Location: Cammeray Golf Club, Park Ave, Cremorne NSW 2090

Reserve your seat and be part of an unforgettable evening:
https://www.trybooking.com/DKQDK

Connect with Van Marinos on the following channels:
Website: https://communitymoves.com.au/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/communitymoves/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/community_moves_fit_over_50/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCam6ytsmQT7TOJimbv4-Mlg

JUSTINE MARTIN
Award winning  Speaker, Author, Artist, Coach, Publisher
https://linktr.ee/justinemartincorporation
+61403564942

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 0:58

Welcome back, listeners, to Morpheus Publishing's Author Spotlight. Today in the studio, I've got with me Van. How are you, Van?

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Very well, thanks, Justine. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:09

I'm good, actually. Van's being very modest. He's very nervous and excited at the moment because one week out from launching your book, aren't we?

SPEAKER_04 1:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little bit um surreal, a little bit overwhelming, a little bit exciting, mashed into lines. Yeah, there's a bit of nervous energy in the air.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

That's right. And your book is called Strong and Social. And do you remember the byline?

SPEAKER_04 1:34

A guide to aging well through exercise.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Movement and social connection.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

I think I went through a few iterations of that, so that's in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Yeah, so a guide to aging well through movement and social connection is what we ended up uh calling it. It's a fantastic book, and I'm gonna show it up here. Now, if you're listening on the podcast, you're not going to be able to actually see it, but it's um it's a great little cover with green and yellow and of course pink on there as well. And I'm matching it quite well today with my pink glasses and and pink jumper. But let's get into it. I've got some real juicy questions today to ask you, Van. So, Van, before we talk about the book, who are you outside of what you do?

SPEAKER_04 2:20

Oh God, that's a really good question because I feel as though I what I do is part of my identity. So it's hard to sometimes separate the two, but if I was to separate them, I am first and foremost a father of three beautiful children. I'm a husband to a beautiful and long-suffering wife. You know, I think I'm a pretty good son and mother.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

So I'm probably finding out next week, listeners, when I meet his mum.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

I'm probably a pain in the butt of a younger brother who never does any of the mother's day just relies on his sisters to do all the things. And you know, I'm a I'm a keen exercise and football enthusiast and blessed enough to live in Sydney, Australia, where I was raised, and um I live down the northern beaches. And yeah, I just consider myself to be extremely lucky.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

And can we ask your age?

SPEAKER_04 3:16

I'm 43 yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Happy birthday for yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

Thank you. I was definitely moving one junior from one location to another, which was a great way to spend the day.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

I reckon it would be. What was the moment or experience that made you realize I need to write this book?

SPEAKER_04 3:34

Oh, there's there was probably a few. I always enjoyed writing blogs and articles about fitness, and I found it I could just you know, I had a good imagination to be able to weave stories together. And I also met my father, um, you might be able to see him up there, and there's a painting of him. My father passed away a few years ago, and it was one of the reasons I I started the my first year and got into this business of working with older adults. And I was planning to write you know a book a while ago, and I promised him that I would. And then he went off and died, so I can have to stick to it.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

But yeah, I mean, I I also just I just thought we had a story to tell and I wanted to share it.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

It's a great book, if I do say so myself. So your book, Strong and Social, isn't just about fitness, because a lot of people will think that it's about fitness, it's about connection. Why was that so important for you to highlight?

SPEAKER_04 4:32

A couple of a number of reasons. When you look, you know, philosophically and theoretically, exercise and peers to exercise and health behavior change, there is a real highlighting of the need for social interaction and the power that has to help people maintain a behavior. So I wanted to highlight and emphasize the importance of that. The other reason is that I have never witnessed something so powerful outside of the walls of this gym as the social interaction. The power of social is what not only gets the members here to the gym to continue exercise, but it is it's taking widows and women and men who are lonely and isolated, and it's bringing them together in a place where they connect on you know the same sort of values and the same sort of you know, local area, or it's a group of their peers, and then it extends beyond the gym. And then they find themselves in these groups going to movie club and they're in a walking group, and they're going to cooking classes and all these things. And I'm just witnessing this unfold before my eyes over the last decade of running this business and going, This is a story that needs to be told because it is just it's beautiful to see, and it and it helps so many people. I just think that there's an opportunity there to help many more.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

100%. I mean, during COVID, that was a classic example where those of us that were by ourselves um miss that human interaction, that connection, and we were never meant to be solo. Um, we're always meant to be in that group or or partner environment. So you're doing a good job out there. Um, you share quite a personal story about your dad earlier on, and you've just mentioned your dad. How did that experience shape this book?

SPEAKER_04 6:14

Dad, he prior to Dying the Jimmy's, he was um he was never really a big exerciser, you know, and he was in YouTube and in showbiz and lived a pretty hectic life, you know, very busy. You know, he done a little bit of activity as a kid, but never really, you know, his diet home wasn't great exercise. So there was never really something there there for him. And so I knew that I wherever I started needed to be in the environment with my father, like who he feel comfortable with. And that wasn't just the only reason, but that was, you know, one of the one of the driving forces. And so when it came to prior to him being diagnosed with space four lung cancer, the years in the gym, we saw this transformation in him, which was just he was all of a sudden he really hated exercises, and then all of a sudden he was coming to there's a couple of classes in here we call CN Plus, and they're more high-intensity advanced classes. And we ended up like competing with some of the younger guys in those classes. All of a sudden he's he's looking forward to his exercise classes, and he's rolling around and chasing his grandkids on the floor, and he's lifting him up and strength. And I'm like, this guy's you know, this is incredible. Look what it's done to him, you know, outside the gym of things, it's enabled him to. Um, and then there was the you know, that there's very nose with with lung cancer, and it was a pretty rapid um, you know, uh downhill while from there. That experience for me was quite halting because I'm the exercise guy and I think he can cure everything with exercise. You know, and I'm like, oh, I'll just you know he'll be fine, he'll live lots longer because he's been exercising or he seems quite um you know, realistically that all and and and said, look, you know, cancer doesn't follow any rules. It just does what he's gonna do. You know, some people are you know luckier than others, and um, you know, I guess I'm one of the ones that's not so lucky. But that experience for me of seeing him, although he was really fit before, and that like the journey that being fit when you come to exercise anymore took him on those six years prior to being diagnosed, sort of galvanized my beliefs around obviously the benefits of exercise are are really important, but it's not a be or an indoor, so it was a good lesson for me because you can't exercise your way out of uh ill health sometimes, but it can certainly add value to your life, and it did for dad, and it does for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Yeah, that's amazing. So, this will lead me into my next question then. Now, you've got no idea of what these questions are, then. So, what do you think most people get completely wrong about aging?

SPEAKER_04 8:39

I had a conversation with a lady one time, and it's always it's always stuck with me. She when I was talking to her about what we did and and you know, you know, hooked for and um you know how much I I love doing you know what we do. One thing she said was that she said that you know, quite often uh her is she feels invisible. She feels like society's forgotten her, people walk past her and no one would even notice her anymore. But now there's a place here where that's all all it is. Everyone feels recognized and welcome like they belong. And I think that that speaks to a wider societal problem with aging. I think that we've we've got that wrong in that we we sometimes consider older adults as you know almost a burden on society and they're in the way and they're slow-lesbian kind of thing. Uh and I just think that that's that's a terrible way to treat older adults. And I there is I've no from this experience, there are like I am I could tap into a network of 300, 400 people who have got the most amazing experience, amazing knowledge. They're all the best chefs, the best grandparents, the best you know, accountants, the best business, they all sat on the boards of big companies. Um, there's such a wealth of of knowledge and experience and love to be garnered from older adults. And I think that we've we've missed that a little bit as a society.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

I agree totally. It's like when you get to that a um retirement age that um you're discarded, that you're not good for anything else in life, and you just got to wait to die. That's there's this myth that's out there um about it. But my grandfather never retired. I mean, he passed away when he was about 91, 92, but in his mind, he never retired, and he'd go out to the shed every day and do something in the shed, and still worked um in his mind. So if someone took one message from your book, what would you want it to be?

SPEAKER_04 10:34

You are never you're never too old to get fit and find friends.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Like that. You're never too old to get fit and find friends.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

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SPEAKER_02 10:56

You talk about exercise as almost like a magic pill. Why aren't more people using it? Why aren't more people exercising?

SPEAKER_04 11:05

Um, I think because it's hard. It is either exercising is a health behavior, something that you need to do consistently, and it's tough. We evolved to be inherently lazy. You know, all our DNA, you know, as we evolved thousands and thousands of years ago, was put together so that we could procreate, basically, and and survive and then conserve energy. That's it. So when it comes to voluntarily using energy and doing something that causes us to suffer, a lot of people don't like the idea of that. And I get it, I understand. It also, if it was easy to exercise regularly and see the benefits from it, then everyone will be doing it. But because it's not easy, we need more compelling reasons to get up and get moving. Um, and when you're trying to do something by yourself, you are battling with your your own you know uh your own upbringing, your own environment, your own experiences, your own background. Um, and that can be really challenging. It's like with nutrition, you know, behavior change, the same sort of challenges. So, you know, if more people were exercising, and obviously my model is to exercise together, then that makes it a little easier because you can look around and go, Well, I'm suffering, and they're suffering, we can suffer together. And so that makes it a little more palatable.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

It's that accountability as well, isn't it, to someone else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

There's a strong focus on community. Why is social connection just as much important as movement? And we've kind of covered this a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 12:42

Yeah, yeah. Also I'll we're still gonna look at some of the science. There's a there's a researcher by the name of Julian Holt Lunstead, I think, out of the States, who does a lot of research into social interaction, social connection, isolation, loneliness. And one of her, you know, there's a there's a big paper that she did on social isolation. And, you know, there are varying degrees of social isolation, but essentially the takeout was that adults who were socially isolated were you know up to 34% um more likely to die of alpha with how we continue. So a higher risk of death by being socially isolated, and the risk, if I'd done, was equal or akin to smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Yeah, I've actually read before, too. Yeah. Outside of your book and maybe in my book talking. Um no, I know outside of that as well. I am quite into fitness, even though I'm a disabled um person. I still weight train three days a week. And the yes, the social interaction of it, but also because I don't want to be one of these old people that has a fall and can't get off the ground. And that's what takes the life of a lot of older people is that they don't have the physical strength to get their own body weight back off the ground, and I don't want to be that person. So it's that's right.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

I mean you I mean you can tile that you can tie those instances as well into obviously the physical possibility, but in terms of the social, you know, you hear stories of people who you know fallen over in the bathroom and no one's checked on them for three or four days.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Or you know, if you've got a strong social network, that's right, even longer.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

But if you've got a strong social network of people that are expecting you to be somewhere, like you said, accountability and you're you know due to having coffee tomorrow and you don't turn up, then you won't be you know bordering and fading away on the buffer.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Especially if you don't have um family or family that care. Um it does come down to the family that you choose and that being your friends and and that social um interaction. So for someone that's listening or watching right now who feels stuck or unmotivated, where do they even begin?

SPEAKER_04 15:00

Well, I think you need to some areas in that in the book, and these are are simple tools you can find online, but you can you need to assess where you're at first and find out, you know, what what kind of how much activity are you getting still at the moment? Um, and what is you know, what is I suppose appropriate or relevant for for you, what's the next potential step? Because there's no point me saying everyone needs to do what the members in my gym do and go street training three times a week and then do this and this. That is not, you know, that might might be a barrier too far or a bridge too far for something. So, you know, once you know what level you're at, it's then about setting some goals and saying, look, let's just take small steps. And we find that in all the research around how you're moving from the the lowest level of fitness and you just do a small amount of activity, the health benefits far outweigh those people that go from being you know high activity individuals to elite. So you get the greatest benefit from doing just the smallest amount of movement, even when you're unfit. So that might be just you know, doing a regular walk around your block, maybe start there, maybe do some small exercises at home, find a program, find some of the online programs I've got, that you can just follow on from home um and doing your own living room, you know, 20 minutes three times a week. So find something that you can you can do that you enjoy, that you can do consistently, um, and that is going to get you moving more than you're you're currently um moving.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

Hide your TV remote, hide the garage remote, hide all the remotes in your house. That'll get you moving as well. I I think I once counted well when my kids were younger, that we had 15 remotes in our house. When I grew up, we didn't have any TV remotes or anything. You just have to physically get up and change the channel. Now there's remotes for you know, turn your lights on, turn your lights off, open the garage door, close the garage door, change the TV channel. You know, there's remotes for absolutely everything you can do.

SPEAKER_04 17:05

I can do everything right, you know. I can I can order soon.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

I don't have to No, and you don't have to go to the river bed and wash your clothes in the in the river. We don't have to go out and milk the cow or or kill the cow to eat. We live in such a world of convenience that that's contributed to us being lazy and hard work.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Um, how important is strength training as we get older? Why do people avoid it?

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Oh, I think in terms of the avoidance, you know, you can tuck into what we said before about it being class, but it's also it's relatively unknown. You know, a lot of people don't really know they've heard of strength training, they've heard, you know, they know they need to. I mean, but for a lot of people, if you've never stepped into a gym with a large uh percentage of the population, it's a fairly foreign concept and can be quite intimidating. It requires some technical knowledge and some ability and some coaching. And so, once again, if you put them to that bracket, oh my gosh, it all seems a little bit too much. However, we now know that that strength training is one of the biggest levers to fall in terms of healthy aging. It is not just about building bulky muscles and being able to move your limbs around. We know now that skeletal muscle, active skeletal muscle, is critical for metabolic health. So avoiding things like diabetes, high blood pressure, I mean high blood glucose, managing your blood lip blood dictates. Um we know that they are also considered now that muscles are endocrinal organs, meaning that they send little messages from the muscle to other parts of the body to help it regulate and maintain healthy functioning. So there's so much more to be, there's so many more benefits to resistance training that we previously thought, that it's just something you can't leave off the table anymore.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

No, it's it's got to be included in your daily life. So, what role does consistency play versus intensity?

SPEAKER_04 19:06

I would say that you know consistency over time is the biggest behavior and the best habit you can have for all your health behaviors. There's no magic pill, there's no fast win. I I think you know, I often say to people that exercise is something journey you should begin but never end. Because we don't encourage people to come in and there's other other gyms will advertise an eight-week challenge or a four-week challenge, and you know, they say, What you know, people ask me, what else are you doing? You know, you're doing any short. I'm like, oh no, because this is something that you need to do forever, always. Because when we exercise, the stimulus that we provide the body only lasts for a certain amount of time. You can't just go and do one set of exercises and be like, I'm done now, that's me. I did my strength training. You need to the body is an extremely adaptive organism, you know, and and it it adapts to what you consistently put in front of it. So if you are consistently sitting down on and watching TV and hatched over a desk, your body will shape in there, you'll lose muscle because it's it's it's gonna adapt to what you're providing. But if you consistently get up and move and go and exercise and eat the right things and change your sort of exercise activity habits, your body will respond, but it needs constant input for you to get right up.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yeah, 100%. I mean, I've had heart surgeries because I do have a lot of health uh issues, and I was told that I would bounce back a lot quicker because I exercise in the gym regularly than for someone who um does no exercise whatsoever. And, you know, a lot of the time people um are quite surprised of my age when I tell them how old I am, and they're like, what's the fountain of youth? You know, what's your secret? And it's eating clean and drinking water and weight training three days a week, and I do Pilates two days a week, and I try and walk the other two days a week. So fitting exercise in every single day, um, that it's become that habit. Um, and I don't even think of it as a habit now, it's just part of life and part of the routine.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

There's a really strong psychological element to it as well. When you talk about, you know, surgery and and you know, times and periods of your life where you go through ill health and you're you're unable to move, and you go through these what they call catabolic auscalians where you sort of you know decrease your fitness really quickly because you've been hospitalized or something. It's the people that are regular exercising who've been going to the gym or whatever exercise they do regularly, they've already got those habits. And so there is a psychological element to that where they go, Well, I know what to do after. I'm trying to get fit again, I know where to go, I'm confident in it, which means they're more likely to go back and do that. Whereas if you ever have memory.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

And my mind will get back easier.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yeah. I can remember after um the first and second heart surgeries, because I've had three, and saying to my specialist, when can I go back to the gym? When can I go back and train? When can I lift weights? And um, I didn't have open heart, I just had ablations on the heart. And um he said, Oh, you better wait a week. And I'm like, All right. That was the longest week waiting to get to go back into the gym. And then the next time round, because um he had to redo it again, and he goes, Oh, you better wait four weeks this time. I'm like, Oh, are you serious? Four weeks? What am I gonna do in four weeks? And the longest four weeks of life ever. Yeah, so um yeah, I've become a gym junkie over the years. And who would have thought? Because I hate exercise. I still hate exercise, but I go and do it because I know that it's good for me. Um, you've worked with so many people. Is there a story or a moment that really stayed with you?

SPEAKER_04 23:07

Gosh, to pick out one, not necessarily one story, but there are a couple of individuals and and you know, some, you know, one of them actually in the book who I think is a prime example of of how exercise and and community and connection can change your life. And so that the story in the book about a guy, John, and he writes his own story. But when John came to me six, seven, eight years ago, he'd just finished working in corporate world. He'd had uh open heart surgery. Uh, he was overweight, unfit, had a history of sport when he was younger, but never really done much. Fast forward eight years, and he is one of the fittest guys in the gym. He's lean, a little bit ripped, he can do chin-ups, he's got this network of friends that he travels with. They are so embedded into the community here, like part of the social committee. That is just one story of many like it. Um, but one that always, you know, whenever I see a little bit of some pride swells through me because I'm like, get this guy.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

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SPEAKER_02 24:41

What changes have you seen in people beyond just physical health?

SPEAKER_04 24:44

As we alluded to before, um, confidence. You know, one of one of the biggest things that that exercise, particularly, you know, with stuff that we do here, is it's the first thing that changes is people build a level of confidence to do more stuff. Right? So they may not see a change in their body, they may not really see you know an increase in their in their strength. That comes with the consistency we mentioned before. But even after going to the gym or coming for a week, people have this, they all of a sudden they walk taller and they they're more confident than they go, you know, I'm gonna carry my shopping up the stairs because I go to the gym now. I'm gonna park further away from from where I normally park because I go to the gym, I'm fit now. And this psychology and this confidence that people get filled with then turns into their undertaking behaviors which also feed into their physical passing and their health. So there's this upward spiral.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

That's what we see, you know, outside of the physical changes in here, that level of confidence, and then obviously the the social stuff and the friendship is is huge as well.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

That's awesome. How has writing this book changed you personally?

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Uh I mean, it gives me a sense of confidence, gives me a sense of pride. It's really distilled, you know, a good processing, distilling some of the key themes of of you know community members and what we do and and why we do it. Um and it's also just giving me, you know, I I like kind of like the title of being an author. Yeah, I feel like I could walk a little bit taller now as well.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

How good does that feel when someone says you say to someone, oh, I'm an author, I've written a book, and then all of a sudden your credibility goes right up because you're an authority in that subject.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Yeah, it is, it is a really nice feeling. I've actually got my book sitting in the kitchen on a little stand there. So every time I come down the kitchen, I'm like, oh, there it is.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So uh is there a second book in the making?

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Oh look, I think there will be. Just because there is so much more to write, and I enjoy it, and there's so many other topics I'd like to get into. I've just got to pick one and and see, you know, and see where the where the words on the page lead. But I definitely think I would like to write another one.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Right. Well, me being your publisher is uh her ears have pricked up on that one. I'm like, I'm gonna hold you to that one, Ben. Um, because uh I mean it was such an easy read for us um and to edit through as well. So um kudos to you. Uh okay, some really quick, punchy, rapid fire questions here. One myth about fitness you'd love to kill off.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

Um no pain, no domain. Get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, I totally agree.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

So, best habit for longevity, consistency in non-exercise active activity terms is regular physical activity, regardless of whether it's in the gym or not. Keep moving.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Keep moving. One word for how you want people to feel after reading your book.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

Inspired.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Awesome. Uh, how was it like working with myself and Morpheus Publishing?

SPEAKER_04 28:04

Uh, you guys are awesome. You've been so supportive. You should have. No, you've been you've been amazing from the first time we spoke to all the way through. Just you know, supportive and and helpful and encouraging, and yeah, yeah, great. Couldn't have asked for any better.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Awesome. We like to hear that. It's not as a scary process. Um, we like to hold our author's hands, so to speak, all the way through the process and and get you to that um to the book launch and beyond, because then the hard work starts with um the marketing of it and getting it out to the bigger wide world. But your book launch is looking like it's going to be a very good success. So, Van, where can people find you, connect with you, and grab a copy of the book?

SPEAKER_04 28:52

So they can find Community Moves and me on our website, community moves.com.au. They can also order the book um from one of the tabs on the page there. Um, I'm also on LinkedIn and uh Instagram. But if you just head to the communitymoves.com.au uh website, you'll find all the contact information.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

We'll have that in the show notes, listeners. So then, thanks for spending half an hour with me today chatting about strong and social.

SPEAKER_04 29:26

Hopefully, I get to chat to more people about strong and social. But um, you know, if it's just if it's just useful now, that's good enough.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

So if you're out there, listeners, and you know somewhere, a podcast or a talk that Van can go and share his strong message. We'd love to hear from you until our next book launch comes out, our next book release. Everyone, keep reading.

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